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New Projector Toasted my Receiver

March 12th, 2008

I am sitting here beside myself as I come to the realization that my entire reference system has been taken down by a projector. That’s right! Today Clint came by to setup my new Epson 1080UB projector so I could bask in 1080p glory. After the installation was completed, we struggled to get video to the projector from any source (ie. DVD player, HD DVD player, Xbox 360). After lunch we turned the system on and were happy to see XBOX 360 working via component video. Clint enjoyed a brief jam session in guitar hero until I decided it was a good idea to try another video source. Little to our knowledge this would be the end of my reference system as we knew it. The room went black and after a moment of dead silence, erupted a few NY Italian colorful metaphors out of my mouth. After bypassing my venerable Denon AVR-5805 receiver, we successfully passed video to the projector.

Later that night, I did some additional troubleshooting and found that it was in fact the HDMI connection between my Denon AVR-5805 and Epson 1080UB projector that was hosing video through my AVR-5805. Once I engaged HDMI, it froze the OSD via composite video out and produced no signal via HDMI out to my display. it took a power cycle and switching the projector to another input to restore the OSD via composite output. Reconnecting my trusty Yamaha LPX-510 projector, I successfully passed HDMI video to it from my AVR-5805.

Needless to say, no matter what I did, I could no longer get any video signal out via component video from my AVR-5805. How the [email protected] could an HDMI issue hose my component video of my receiver? Good question and when I have an answer I will be sure to follow up.

I decided to go for broke tonight and engage in a processor reset in hopes that by some miracle, I would restore all video functionality of my receiver. Instead I was rewarded with the same video disfunctionality and now a lack of audio since the entire receiver configuration and power amp assignability has been wiped out.

Suffice it to say this is a lesson learned for:
1. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Seriously my old projector worked just fine but as an Audioholic I always feel compelled to upgrade.
2. Buyer beware when acquiring a first sample of a new product. In this case, I was one of the first in the country to get my hands on an AVR-5805.
3. Assuming your receiver has one, NEVER hit processor RESET unless the entire unit is frozen
4. Never do #3 after 11pm regardless of the state of your receiver. Come back with a clear head the next morning.

So now I sit here with a broken home theater and a mess of cables, ladders, screwdrivers and test discs. I guess this gives me more time to play my Roland electric drum kit I recently purchased….

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  1. March 12th, 2008 at 07:37 | #1

    That is absolutely crazy… BUT, I will say this. In all fairness, your system appears to have been taken down by the quirks of one Denon flagship receiver. I still don’t believe anything is wrong necessarily with the Epson.

    What a cluster tho…

  2. March 12th, 2008 at 09:36 | #2

    Wow. I mean, WOW! Can’t wait to hear what the deal is once the dust settles….

    bummer, dude.

  3. JamesB
    March 12th, 2008 at 11:47 | #3

    Sorry to hear about that. If that happened to me I think I’d cry. Look on the bright side, this could be an opportunity to upgrade.

  4. March 12th, 2008 at 12:00 | #4

    I had some HDMI issues when I went to the Panasonic AE2000U projector from the AX-100U. I couldn’t get HDMI video through the receiver with any component while using a Blue Jeans cable (35ft). However, the upper end DVI Gear cable (33ft) worked just fine. It is possible to update the firmware on your Denon, as well. You can connect via the built in Ethernet port or download it from their site. I am guessing it may not fix your issues as you are still trying to pass twice the data through your cable as you were before. What kind of HDMI cable, how long, and is it possible to make a temporary run to the new projector to see if a cable will fix it??

  5. March 12th, 2008 at 13:00 | #5

    I been through every conceivable testing scenario running independent cables, etc and to no avail HDMI will not work when using the Epson projector connected to my Denon receiever.

    I called Epson and they claimed older Denon receivers have issues with their HDMI 1.3 projectors. I called Denon and the’ve never heard of this before. Both parties claim to properly authenticate HDCP via their HDMI outputs.

    Right now I can’t 100% blaim either party b/c I recall the very same Epson projector having issues with a Sherwood Newcastle processor at our 2007 State of the CE Union Event.

    In any event, Denon is doing the right thing and upgrading my unit to the MKII version. I will likely eventually upgrade to their separates solution but right now I just want to get my reference system back up and running which serves as the control unit for my testing and reviews.

    After a refreshing night of 4 hours of sleep courtesy of our 10th mo old baby that enjoys being a night owl, I have a new and positive prospective 🙂

    It occurred to me this morning that if these are the biggest worries in my life, they are pale in comparison to the stuff that really matters.

  6. majorloser
    March 15th, 2008 at 21:32 | #6

    The Denon rep said you did it and stop blaming the equipment 😛

  7. thxman
    June 12th, 2008 at 21:15 | #7

    Holy Crap Gene!

    I just came across this because I just bought a Sharp DT-5000 1080p projector hooked up to a Denon AVR-5805 MKII and I have the SAME exact problem! I was searching for some answers when I found your post.

    When I switch my 30ft Better Cables HDMI directly to either my Samsung BD-UP5000, THX TIVO or my DirecTv HD receiver all of them work fine. Both the TIVO and DTV receivers have component hooked up as well and they will not work when the HDMI is connected.

    Anyone else have this problem with the Denon??

    What did the upgrade do for you since I already have the MKII version and am having this problem. Did yours get fixed.

    Can anyone help with a fix??


  8. June 13th, 2008 at 12:21 | #8

    I haven’t retested my 5805mkii with my Epson projector yet as I’ve been engrossed in the Denon separates review.

    I will restest this soon.

    I did check with Denon about Sharp issue and they said there is a service bulletin for the 5805 and firmware updates to address Sharp displays. Contract their service department for more info.

  9. thxman
    June 13th, 2008 at 14:17 | #9

    Thanks gene! I’m calling them right now and will let you know!


  10. thxman
    June 17th, 2008 at 23:00 | #10

    Anyone having the same problem with Sharp 1080p projectors using the 5805 MKII will have to send their unit in to have the free upgrade done to their Denon in order to support Sharp projectors. It cannot be upgraded through firmware. ;o(

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